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Old 10-06-2009
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Hi there im a first time saleen buyer. Im buying a 2006 Silver saleen. The thing is its a non sc reg 3 valve model but with a added saleen sc. The previous owner says it was installed by ford. Does this affect the value of the vehicle? reason for doing this? He said he could get the reg model and add the sc and save 2500 sound right? It has 9,000 miles and price is 28,000 what do you guys think. He also says it has magnaflow mufflers and headers but everything looks factory and isnt to loud. Thanks for all the input and advice. Hopefully this deal works out. Car is very clean and drives nice.
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$28000 sounds like a desent deal to me...I bought mine new in 06 tho so I might just be hoping mine is worth alot more than that! LOL. Im guessing its a coupe not a conv. Anyone know what the SC hood would cost?
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Hi there im a first time saleen buyer. Im buying a 2006 Silver saleen.
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The thing is its a non sc reg 3 valve model but with a added saleen sc. The previous owner says it was installed by ford. Does this affect the value of the vehicle?
I would say, value is not disrupted either negatively or positively with the added supercharger.

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reason for doing this? He said he could get the reg model and add the sc and save 2500 sound right?
Depends on what original options this 3-Valve has. Yes, in 2005 people did this since the factory S281 S/C car was a late introduction. People also did this during 2005-06 to save a few dollars from the bottom line. The brake upgrade was mandatory on the factory S/C... as well as the S/C styling items.

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It has 9,000 miles and price is 28,000 what do you guys think. He also says it has magnaflow mufflers and headers but everything looks factory and isnt to loud. Thanks for all the input and advice. Hopefully this deal works out. Car is very clean and drives nice.
The asking price is decent. The bottom fell (or is still falling) on these specialty cars.

Allot of this depends on your search range, willingness to ship a car and future plans (if any). If you're collecting, I'd look for a factory S/C car... if you want a neat daily driver and/or weekend vehicle... go with the 3-Valve.

I would not say this example is the norm for market value, but consider this demo was $29,000.00.
http://saleenforums.soec.org/showthread.php?p=25704

Also consider, you can purchase an S281 Extreme model for $10,000.00 more (about $39,000.00 will buy one today). New was about $70,000.00.
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Also consider, you can purchase an S281 Extreme model for $10,000.00 more (about $39,000.00 will buy one today). New was about $70,000.00.
makes me wish i would have waited..... Grab a Extreme for the 39k range!!!!
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Id say its slightly on the high side. NA Saleens are going for low 20s. Id say its worth $25k. It does have low miles. If you dont care about originality then go for it. Id offer him $25k tho and see what he says. Do some research on 06 Saleen NAs and see what prices they are going for.
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Be dilligent and DO YOUR HOMEWORK! There is a lot of Saleens on the market right now and for great prices. Don't settle because it is in your local towns dealership or a local seller wishes to part with it. It is worth the trip to find exactly what you want the internet is a excellent source for opportunity and education on any model. An educated buyer will get what he wants and at the right price. Do your homework it will PAYOFF!
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Be dilligent and DO YOUR HOMEWORK! There is a lot of Saleens on the market right now and for great prices. Don't settle because it is in your local towns dealership or a local seller wishes to part with it. It is worth the trip to find exactly what you want the internet is a excellent source for opportunity and education on any model. An educated buyer will get what he wants and at the right price. Do your homework it will PAYOFF!
very well said. in general, when buying anything; do your homework first! ALWAYS
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I think $28K is a little to much. You should be able to find a factory S/C for that price. It sounds like you are already questioning yourself on the value of a N/A with "aftermarket" install...I don't think you will be happy and in the near future wish you'd just bought a "real" S/C model. If you can talk him down 3-5k you might feel better.
I agree with the extreme statement.
End the end, you just have to ask yourself if you will be happy "setteling" for an upgraded 3V...
BTW I bought mine with the 475 upgrade and 10k miles for $29k a little over a year ago.
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I purchased my non s/c saleen for 32k in early 2007 on the road back before the economy went south. I have also added the blower and a few other goodies....... I also wish I wold have waited to maybe nab an extreme..........
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Thanks for all the advice and help. I used to be a GTO owner owned a 04 and 06 was gonna go on to a vette but i am hooked on saleens. I think im gonna bite on this one. The carfax came up clean. It is local and in orlando so that helps.
As for other saleens s/c model ive only seen 1 local s/c and it went for $33,000 with 21k.

N/A models that i have seen have been going for 22,500-27,500

The one im looking at listed for 31k on a local craigslist. Before driving it and seeing it. I threw out a 25k offer if it checked out. He came back with $28,000. So im trying to get to 26,500 27ish hopefully next week it ill have it.
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it checks out buy it.
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I bought mine about 2 months ago...the 05 3V with dealer add on SC...had 6500 miles when I got it for 28K...I still feel it was a heck of a deal and I got the pedigree stuff too. It really depends on research...prices are falling and you can get a steal. I am not pitching, but the sevice and quality of http://2020motorsblog.blogspot.com/ in San Dimas, CA was wonderful. He does his research and is fairly reasonable on offers. Mine is the 9th one down in white. I also saw a 35k mile 05 3v here locally drop from 22k to 20k in a week on craigslist...looked good, but I would not have purchased as I saw it regularly in town and the owner did not treat it as I would want. You look to be in the ball park price wise...look for the 475hp upgrade or at least the standard 435hp 06 standard. I thought mine was 435, but I did not research enough to know 05's were 400 or so due to injectors,etc.
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I picked up my 2006 S281SC Speedster w/ 8k miles and a Stage 4 upgrade to the blower (making it 550hp) for $34k. I still think I got a Steal, this was back in June of 09 and it was going in the NADA Bluebook value for about $45k at that time. Car brand new was $61k before mods.

* However I drove to Bluebonnet Ford, the closest Saleen Dealership in central TX and it had a 2007 Orange S281SC for 36k new and a 2008 Black Red Flag edition for 36k as well. They were saying - they were just trying to get rid of them and if you bought it you would basically be getting the Saleen Package for Free !
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just checked Bluebonnet's website and they have 3 new Saleens. 2 08's one RF and a new 07 281SC in yellow. I bet you could steal that 07!!!
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just checked Bluebonnet's website and they have 3 new Saleens. 2 08's one RF and a new 07 281SC in yellow. I bet you could steal that 07!!!

That Yellow one is actually the Orange one I spoke of earlier - The online pricing is highe - the salesman said they would get rid of them for about $35k
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That Yellow one is actually the Orange one I spoke of earlier - The online pricing is highe - the salesman said they would get rid of them for about $35k
yeah i meant orange.. If they would post those prices on thier website they would sell those babies quick!! I wish I could of found a 1 or 2 year old left over when I had to pay sticker for mine.. LOL
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just checked Bluebonnet's website and they have 3 new Saleens.
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2007 S/C Coupe (423)
http://www.bbmotorsford.com/index.cf...6-9b2278c45138

2008 RF Coupe (244)
http://www.bbmotorsford.com/index.cf...c-dbb96c7899bd

2008 S/C Coupe (243)
http://www.bbmotorsford.com/index.cf...f-5b11e4908630
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How can you tell if it has aftermarket headers or Exhaust? Headers may be but didn't see any distink magnaflow markings on the exhaust system. And is there anything In perticular I should look at? I'm closing this deal Tuesday. Any major problems with these saleens or parts on them. This is my first sc vehicle as well. Thanks to all school me up please lol
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MagnaFlow produced the axle back system for Saleen. The muffler cases should have "SALEEN" stamped into them. All serialized Saleens for this era have the axle back.

The S197 Mustangs have cast exhaust manifolds (see photo below). Anything that appears to have individual tubes for each exhaust port will be a set of aftermarket headers.
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Thanks for all the help going to bank today. One last thing can i get a picture of a stock pulley that should come on a factory saleen sc.
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Thanks for all the help going to bank today. One last thing can i get a picture of a stock pulley that should come on a factory saleen sc.
It'll look something like this... Good luck!
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Look to see what color the injectors are. If they are blue then you might have the 475 upgrade (I learned this the hard way). Really have to measure the pulley to know what kit you have.
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How did you the hard way??
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It'll look something like this... Good luck!
Is this the 2.875" pulley or do those only come on the "E"!?
Do they all say SALEEN on them including the "E" one!?
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If S/C and have black inj. the S/C pulley is 4.00 inch. 435 bhp
If S/C and have blue inj. the S/C pulley is 3.87 inch. 475 bhp
Yes the stock pulleys have Saleen stamped in them.
05 -09 years. some R&D S/C pulleys did not and were alum. not black anidized.
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How did you the hard way??
Well the story is I bought my car on Ebay while I was in Iraq in Sept 08. My parents picked up and stored the car for me until I came back to AZ in Dec. When I finally drove the car I got the check engine light to come on the first time I got on it hard. Well to make a long story short, after 3 trips to the Ford dealer and 3 new fuel pumps, I finally figured out by a phone call to Techco that I had the 475 HP upgrade (blue injectors instead of the black ones). The Saleen was 9 days out of waranty so I had to pay $750 for the new fuel pump and $150 for a custom tune. Come to find out the guy who I bought the car from wanted his tuner (he didn't advertise it as having the 475hp upgrade so I am sure he had no idea about the car) back and when my parents picked it up he installed the "stock" 435 HP tune back on the car which cause a lean engine code at high RPM's. Needless to say I didn't need a new fuel pump just a tune.

Expensive lesson learned...(wife is still bitter about it to this day).

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I picked up my 2006 S281SC Speedster w/ 8k miles and a Stage 4 upgrade to the blower (making it 550hp) for $34k. I still think I got a Steal, this was back in June of 09 and it was going in the NADA Bluebook value for about $45k at that time. Car brand new was $61k before mods.

* However I drove to Bluebonnet Ford, the closest Saleen Dealership in central TX and it had a 2007 Orange S281SC for 36k new and a 2008 Black Red Flag edition for 36k as well. They were saying - they were just trying to get rid of them and if you bought it you would basically be getting the Saleen Package for Free !
But those 2 weren't ragtops, correct? Convertibles typically go for more $$$.
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Well I don't know what to do. If the was from saleen sc and not one installed I'd be all on it.. And if it was black.. I think 28000 is a good deal for 9500 miles and has a intake and headers. Clean has hid upgrade headlights. Just not the sc hood. What do you guys think?? I just know in Orlando these are once a month cars that pop up for sale. What to do... I'll be checking it out one more time tommrow check the injectors and pulley if there factory 4" and black I might have my car for the weekend.. What kind of times are you guys running at the track? And sweet spots for the saleen. I have so many questions(first time mustang owner).
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Bottomline is if you are happy. If you are, go for it.

You should have no problems getting into the 12's for the 1/4 mile. My best time is12.83 with slicks but that was my first time on the 1/4. I am pretty sure I can get down to 12.50. Some of the guys on this board have the smaller pulley and a few more mods and are in the low 12's a few are in the high 11's. Much potential with these cars.
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55, hey if you are wanting the 475 bhp you want to get the blue inj. and 3.87 S/C pulley, so look for the blue inj. and the cold air intake has the oval 98 mm mass air and the rubber intake is wider and oval also.

Good luck hope you get it, I remember how excited I was to get mine.
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But those 2 weren't ragtops, correct? Convertibles typically go for more $$$.

Thats true - but those other two cars were newer and had 500 miles or less on them
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55, hey if you are wanting the 475 bhp you want to get the blue inj. and 3.87 S/C pulley, so look for the blue inj. and the cold air intake has the oval 98 mm mass air and the rubber intake is wider and oval also.

Good luck hope you get it, I remember how excited I was to get mine.
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Any way you Could upload a picture of the blue injectors?? Or anyone? I might want factory black and pulley. how much does the pulley and injector upgrade kit run? If it dosent have it I might get this latter on..
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The black inj. comes with 4.00 s/C pulley and makes 435 bhp
the blue inj. comes with 3.87 S/C pulley, Cold air intake , 98mm mass air, 475 bhp. the upgrade cost $995 from Saleen.
You cant miss the blue inj. just under the fuel rail.....

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Yea I know where they are the owner dosent so I was gonna send him a pic of it. He said he thinks there 39lb what does this mean to you all??
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The blue top inj. are 39 lb inj.'s The reason I was telling you where they were is so you could tell the owner , If they are blue top inj. you cant miss it, ask him if the mass air is round or oval, its next to the plasic aircleaner. If oval its the 98mm mass air and it will have the 39 lb inj. and 3.87 S/C pulley also if it makes 6 lbs of boost its the 475 bhp if it makes 4 1/2 lbs of boost its the 435 bhp S/c. hope this helps.....
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Ok update everyone! It has the 475 upgrade with blue injectors and pulley and different intake! K I'm buying it! my last question is does this upgrade hurt it's relibilty I know it's only 2 psi more and car only has 9,000 miles! What kind of typical maitence is needed or common problems with the saleens? Thanks agian
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my last question is does this upgrade hurt it's relibilty...
The upgrade improves reliability. You want the upgrade Vs. not.
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Yeah dont be afraid of the upgrade or if you like we could trade parts.. Ill pay the shipping
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Both these bhp systems had 36 K or 3 years Warrenty from Saleen, do not be afraid of the 475 bhp system you will love it over the 435 bhp..
Just look at Barrett Jackson , the shelbys, etc, the ones that have the bigger hp, mods, and 4 speeds go for much more.
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Well enough talk hopefully lol and I'll get it monday
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The upgrade improves reliability. You want the upgrade Vs. not.
WHY? I have the 435HP and I was thinking of upgrading to the 475HP in the Spring, but how does it improve reliability?
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Yea I don't see how more boost could improve reliability..
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It’s not the boost that improves the reliability it’s the components that make up the 475 kit. With the 435hp kit you have a smaller injectors and intake tube, along with other items that make the difference. The injectors are close to their max output. The 435hp (stock mustang gt intake tube) intake tube can collapse under high boost pressure. The intake tube in the 475 kit has reinforcements inside the tube to keep it from collapsing under high boost pressure along with being larger for more air to pass through it.
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The reliability is with the new tune and larger injectors...There is also a vacuum upgrade that helps with the lean a/f mixture at the upper RPM range.
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I'm confused, this is from Saleen Speedlab. "This horsepower upgrade kit brings the Saleen supercharged Mustang up to 475HP. It includes: Saleen air box cover, fresh air tube, 39lb injectors, 3.875-inch pulley, and a Saleen Powerflash."
I can understand that injectors won't work as hard, and the pulley makes less drag, and the Powerflash is a tune, but does the intake tube make it more reliable? Isn't my car already "tuned?" Don't get me wrong, I'd love another 40 HP, but how much will mileage be affected? I'm getting around 15-17 mpg now. Also, for those of you that did the upgrade, WHERE do you feel the extra HP? Is the car still easy to drive on the street or does it get a little wacky? (Right now I'm really happy with the acceleration and handling, even for a rag-top, but I'm often driving around with my 2 year-old in the back seat) Again, roughly $1000 for 40 hp is great, but does it affect the engine durability at all? My car is now out of warranty so anything that happens is gonna cost me $.
I guess what I'm trying to find out is there any reason NOT to do the upgrade because I was going to do it in the Spring, but I want to make sure it makes good sense.
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If you want the extra power do the upgrade; you won't hurt your motor & driveability along w/ Fuel Mileage will not be an issue...it will still drive the same until you go into boost. I have a fully built 302 w/ 612rwhp and when not burying my foot in the throttle it drives like a GT w/ exceptional suspension. I regularly have my 3 & 4 year old children strapped in their car seats w/ me, and all they do is gripe that I'm not going fast enough...LOL
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If you want the extra power do the upgrade; you won't hurt your motor & driveability along w/ Fuel Mileage will not be an issue...it will still drive the same until you go into boost. I have a fully built 302 w/ 612rwhp and when not burying my foot in the throttle it drives like a GT w/ exceptional suspension. I regularly have my 3 & 4 year old children strapped in their car seats w/ me, and all they do is gripe that I'm not going fast enough...LOL
I couldn't stop laughing when I read this part. My daughter is only 2 and she is always yelling, "go fast!" from the back seat. She even wants me to race other cars at stoplights, which I have never done with her in the car, but anytime I'm pulled alongside something with a nice sounding exhaust (even trucks) she's says, "go daddy, go fast!" I guess I will be getting the upgrade.
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LOL...they have no fear @ that age!

You could even do the 550 upgrade; w/ a spot on tune, you'd be fine. I ran the 550 kit on my stock 4.6 @ about 475rwhp for over a year w/o issue...you'll probably not notice the 475 upgrade a lot, & it will probably leave you wanting more! Just like me! Trust me you'll WANT more...
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LOL...they have no fear @ that age!

You could even do the 550 upgrade; w/ a spot on tune, you'd be fine. I ran the 550 kit on my stock 4.6 @ about 475rwhp for over a year w/o issue...you'll probably not notice the 475 upgrade a lot, & it will probably leave you wanting more! Just like me! Trust me you'll WANT more...
I agree, if you are going to upgrade why not go with the max you can do without the forged internals. I think the most I will do to my car is the 3.4 pulley with the supporting mods. Of course I am living on a budget and have 4 kids of my own..so mods are few and far between.
While we are talking about kids in the car, mine love to watch the speedo climb. They also have Sammy Hagar's "I can't drive 55!" memorized and can sing it word for word...My 6 year old is convinced the Saleen is the fastest car ever...
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